BREAKING Obama: My grandmother's a "typical white person"

From Taylor Marsh:

http://www.taylormarsh.com/archives_view .php?id=27266

The radio clip: http://www.redlasso.com/ClipPlayer.aspx? id=8a521134-e10b-4bfb-8aec-690d61794d50

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Barack Obama was on 610 WIP radio this morning speaking to host Angelo Cataldi.  Obama was asked his speech on race in which he referenced his own white grandmother and her prejudice.

Obama responded:

"The point I was making was not that my grandmother harbors any racial animosity, but that she is a typical white person. If she sees somebody on the street that she doesn't know (pause) there's a reaction in her that doesn't go away and it comes out in the wrong way."

THIS IS IT!  DEMOCRATS CAN NOT NOMINATE BARACK OBAMA!  THIS IS A GENERAL ELECTION DEAL BREAKER!  

DO YOU WANT A DEMOCRATIC NOMINEE WHO CALLS ALL WHITE PEOPLE RACISTS?  IS THAT HIS BLUE-COLLAR VOTE STRATEGY?  WHAT IF HILLARY CALLED SOMEONE A TYPICAL BLACK PERSON?



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he needs to pipe down already (2.00 / 1)

ugh. the more he speaks, the more he contradicts himself.


by njsketch on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 02:19:36 PM EST

No biggie (2.00 / 2)

I'm typical and I can vouche for that statement.


by Pissoff on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 02:42:11 PM EST
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Umm... (2.00 / 1)

I am pretty darn white- I burn after 20 minutes.  I am not that 'typical' white person Obama describes.  

Dang, thats some pretty damning stuff there BO...


by linc on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 02:47:24 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Umm... (none / 0)

I see myself as a unique individual like everybody else.

Typical??? I don't think so.


Honesty is always the best Policy. Go Hillary Go!
by roseeriter on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 02:50:45 PM EST
[ Parent ]

You tell them. (none / 0)

You are a beautiful unique snowflake. Way to sparkle!


better luck next universe
by thenew on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 02:51:25 PM EST
[ Parent ]

So are you LOL! (none / 0)


Honesty is always the best Policy. Go Hillary Go!
by roseeriter on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 02:53:47 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Me, too. I just got burned... (2.00 / 1)

outside swimming this morning.

Oh well, that's just another typical white person problem, isn't it?


by Shazone on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 04:48:10 PM EST
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Speak for yourself. (2.00 / 1)

I think plenty of the so-called "progressives" who support Obama are the sort of people who flinch when they pass a black on the street.  Perhaps you are one of them.  Too bad for you.  I've thought for a while that a lot of the "progressive" support for Obama is based on subliminal guilt.  Maybe if Obama spent more time with the people supporting Hillary he would meet some white people he doesn't consider "typical," that is, if he could for five minutes stop accusing them of being racists.

I think the phony "progressives" supporting Obama haven't really looked critically at his qualifications, and the many contradictions in his claims.  He's a man who says whatever is convenient.  I also think plenty of the "progressives" talking him up are sexists who don't really give a damn about the conditions women are facing today all over the world - some of the worst, by the way, in Africa.  And that's why they minimize the importance of having the first woman President.  It's really sad that our first serious black candidate for President is not a better man than Obama.  Not on my worst day would I ever have imagined that I would be unable to vote for the first black person with a real chance of being the nominee of a major party.


by PlainWords on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 03:33:11 PM EST
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If Hillary called anyone a... (2.00 / 4)

..."Typical black person" then she would be attacked over and over again for saying something to the equivalent of "Blacks; they all look alike."

I don't think there's such a thing as a "typical black person" and I don't think there's such a thing as a "typical white person."

Sen. Obama, I think, put his foot in his mouth.


by andrewalker08 on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 02:22:11 PM EST

Hah! You sound like a typical white person. (none / 0)


by lombard on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 02:42:49 PM EST
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Well, people have said... (2.00 / 1)

...I'm the whitest black guy they've ever met.


by andrewalker08 on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 03:19:57 PM EST
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Re: If Hillary called anyone a... (2.00 / 1)

I think a better analogy would be Sen. Clinton calling someone a "typical man."


by jacen42 on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 02:46:35 PM EST
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Yeah but she's just a typical woman (2.00 / 1)

shrill, bitchy etc., etc. <snark>


Honesty is always the best Policy. Go Hillary Go!
by roseeriter on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 02:51:57 PM EST
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Re: BREAKING Obama: My (2.00 / 0)

That is wrong on so many levels

Obama is suggesting that this is how all white people think?  That no black people think like that?

There is nothing more painful to me ... than to walk down the street and hear footsteps and start thinking about robbery, then look around and see somebody white and feel relieved. -- the Reverend Jesse Jackson, as quoted in US News, 3/10/96

http://www.usnews.com/usnews/opinion/art icles/960318/archive_010008.htm


99% perspiration
by DaveOinSF on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 02:23:31 PM EST

Re: BREAKING Obama: My (2.00 / 1)

Please, folks, use the dictionary.

"Typical" does not have the same meaning as "all."


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 02:25:57 PM EST
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Here are all four definitions... (none / 0)

...Of the word "typical:

1. Exhibiting the qualities, traits, or characteristics that identify a kind, class, group, or category: a typical suburban community;

2. Of or relating to a representative specimen; characteristic or distinctive.;

3. Conforming to a type: a composition typical of the baroque period.; and

4. also typ·ic (-ĭk) Of the nature of, constituting, or serving as a type; emblematic.


by andrewalker08 on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 02:27:59 PM EST
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Re: BREAKING Obama: My (none / 0)

I stand corrected

Obama is suggesting that this is how typical white people think?  That typical black people think like that?

Sounds SO much better.


99% perspiration
by DaveOinSF on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 02:28:11 PM EST
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Re: BREAKING Obama: My (none / 0)

I think that typical black people think that typical white people typically think this way.  How does any of this thinking help to solve our economic problems, and the war in Iraq???


by izarradar on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 02:55:25 PM EST
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Depends what the meaning of 'ALL' is. (none / 0)


Honesty is always the best Policy. Go Hillary Go!
by roseeriter on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 02:52:48 PM EST
[ Parent ]

barf (none / 0)

no, it means almost all.  
Tell me is Obama a typical black man and what does that mean?  What is a typical black man?
For Obama it now becomes: Faith, hope and CHANGE! And the greatest of these is Change!
by TeresaInPa on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 03:24:37 PM EST
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Re: BREAKING Obama: My (2.00 / 2)

Obama on Tuesday:

Wright = My Grandmother

Obama Today:

My Grandmother = Typical White Person

Therefore:

Wright = Typical White Person


99% perspiration
by DaveOinSF on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 02:26:33 PM EST

Re: BREAKING Obama: My (none / 0)

You really need to take a logic class.


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 02:33:56 PM EST
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Re: BREAKING Obama: My (none / 0)

ROFL ROFL ROFL... wright now = white person analagy. THAT CRACKED my wife and me UP!!!!

That was too too funny. cheers!


by jayatl on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 02:34:01 PM EST
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Hey, that's a fun logical exercise! (none / 0)

Now I can feel more typical if I say "Gaddamn America" or "he was ridin' dirty."


by lombard on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 02:35:50 PM EST
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THE WHOLE POINT (none / 0)

Is that the typical white person is NOT RACIST. How can you make that point without talking about the "typical white person?"

Anyways, the host and callers on the show clearly didn't interpret it the way you have.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/3/20/ 12150/4733/276/480767

Frankly, as a white person, I think he was and is being much generous to white people, but I suppose that is the politics of it.


better luck next universe
by thenew on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 02:31:00 PM EST

"typical white person" (2.00 / 2)

You are so right I mean those aren't the attitudes of a typical white person in their 80s, why I remember when our country rose up as one to confront the challenge of racism in the 1950s, I mean it was awe-inspiring, I remember when George Wallace was thrown out of office for his views and not re-elected by a landslide, go team!


by Socraticsilence on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 02:32:42 PM EST

Even George Wallace Wasn't Typical... (none / 0)

...During his final term as Governor of Alabama, he renounced his racist past and began to appoint a record number of African-Americans to government positions in his state.


by andrewalker08 on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 02:36:53 PM EST
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Re: Even George Wallace Wasn't Typical... (none / 0)

Yes, that George Wallace was a real liberal when it came to race.  He wouldn't even claim is AA daughter.  


by Spanky on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 02:41:10 PM EST
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Re: Even George Wallace Wasn't Typical... (none / 0)

I think you are thinking of Strom Thurmond (who has an African American daughter).

Unless Wallace's daughter drank a lot.  :-)


by TomP on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 03:17:45 PM EST
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Re: Even George Wallace Wasn't Typical... (none / 0)

True, I read a biography on the man and his life story is actually pretty amazing he in a very real way personified the journey of the post-reconstruction South.  I was more referring to how he won re-election early on though in the above comment.


by Socraticsilence on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 03:08:35 PM EST
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OK, he has some valid points (none / 0)

About "typical" white people.

Can all of us typical white people now talk about all those characteristics of "typical" black people now without being called racist?  No?  I didn't think so.


by lombard on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 02:39:40 PM EST
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Re: "typical white person" (none / 0)

so you don't think people in the 80s have grown since the 1950s?  Nice, you think they are just in suspended animation.  I guess typical white people can't grow either.


For Obama it now becomes: Faith, hope and CHANGE! And the greatest of these is Change!
by TeresaInPa on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 03:29:29 PM EST
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OMG! (none / 0)

OMG!!  This is BAD!!!!


by karajan72 on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 02:39:10 PM EST

Re: BREAKING Obama: My grandmother (2.00 / 3)

Some of you people make me physically ill.


by rfahey22 on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 02:39:10 PM EST

Oh man (2.00 / 2)

I can't believe we came this close to nominating this walking disaster.

2 days ago he called his grandmother a bigot and today he calls her a typical white.

For the sake of his supporters, he should just stop giving interviews for a week and let the news fizzle out a little. He keeps feeding this monster of a scandal.


by axian on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 02:39:59 PM EST

Re: Oh man (none / 0)

You really didn't understand his speech, did you? He didn't say his grandmother was racist. He said that people struggle with race stereotypes and have have a mixture of views within the very same individual.


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 02:57:40 PM EST
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Maybe (2.00 / 1)

This will finally open some people's eyes about the catastrophe we are about to experience if Obama is the nominee.
by Jason O on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 02:43:30 PM EST

So freaking Typical Around here (2.00 / 2)

MyDailyDouchebags -

"not that my grandmother harbors any racial animosity, but that she is a typical white person"

I read that as the typical white person doesn't harbor racial animosity.

You people are puking on a fellow Democrat. It is vile.


by Pissoff on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 02:44:08 PM EST

Re: So freaking Typical Around here (none / 0)

You've got to be kidding.

Two days ago, according to Obama's groundbreakingly unifying speech, his grandma made racist comments that made him "wince."

Now she is a "typical white person."

THIS. IS. BAD.


The world cannot survive four more years of Bush.
by madamab on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 03:22:09 PM EST
[ Parent ]

If Taylor Marsh says it's over... (2.00 / 3)

... then we know it must be true.


by Bob Johnson on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 02:45:15 PM EST

Re: BREAKING Obama: My grandmother's a (none / 0)

I agree with him.  My grandmother was so racist.  If she saw a black person, she would call them the N word.  I don't know if they heard her or now, but she was very embarrassing.


by Spanky on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 02:45:21 PM EST

Re: BREAKING Obama: My grandmother's a (none / 0)

She was Irish and German.


by Spanky on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 02:45:52 PM EST
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That's not a typical grandmother (none / 0)

for pete's sake! Mines, French and Indian and the other ia 100% Irish- now that's typical...


Honesty is always the best Policy. Go Hillary Go!
by roseeriter on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 02:57:23 PM EST
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Re: BREAKING Obama: My grandmother's a (none / 0)

your grandmother was a racist.  Mine was not.  Which one is typical?

The point is that there is no typical white person anymore than there is a typical white person.


For Obama it now becomes: Faith, hope and CHANGE! And the greatest of these is Change!
by TeresaInPa on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 03:32:47 PM EST
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Re: BREAKING Obama: (2.00 / 1)

A friend of mine recently told me that a black minister came to his church for MLK day and gave the sermon.  He said, "white people do not have a monopoly on racism.  It's an equal opportunity disease."  And THAT is a message we all need to hear more often.

Maybe Obama has that disease too!


by cjbardy on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 02:46:50 PM EST

Re: BREAKING Obama: (none / 0)

That is what Obama said in the interview, are you deaf or do you just jump to conclusions.


by Socraticsilence on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 02:59:49 PM EST
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Re: BREAKING Obama: (none / 0)

Eh? What did you say????

I am not deaf and I don't jump to conclusions.

Barack is not acting as though racism is an equal opportunity disease.  He uses it as a sword and shield for his side only.


by cjbardy on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 05:18:14 PM EST
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Mondale backs Clinton. (2.00 / 2)

Does that mean she'd be headed for a similar fate?


by Bob Johnson on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 02:47:21 PM EST

your logic bone (none / 0)

is broken


For Obama it now becomes: Faith, hope and CHANGE! And the greatest of these is Change!
by TeresaInPa on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 03:26:50 PM EST
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So much for high oratory! (2.00 / 1)

I did not at first believe he actually said this, until I listened to it myself.  I was fairly offended by many things he said in his speech.  I am now repulsed by this man.  He cannot be and will not be the Democratic nominee.  Somebody please stop him before he says something worse!    


by mddem08 on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 02:49:12 PM EST

My (2.00 / 2)

Funny that this isn;'t the way the white host of a sprotstalk radio show took it, nor his callers, I mean we know that Sportstalk listeners are huge on nuance so obviously they're less quick to judge than you (and yes this is sarcasm, serisouoly listen to sportstalk, its not super nuanced). If the listeners and the host didn't take it that way, I'm ogin to go out on a limb and guess that it wasn't meant that way-- because unlike you I'm not a hysterical nut who backs a America's favorite liar (seriously doesn't the fact that the majority of Americans don't trust Hillary mean anything to you? People don't vote for those they don't trust-- 1972, and 1996 are the only two times I can think of it bieng different and obth of those times the liar was the incumbent- and thus could point to a track record something neither of our canidates can do. Hell Post-Wright more people think Obama shares their values than does Hillary).


by Socraticsilence on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 02:49:58 PM EST

Re: My (2.00 / 1)

you actually think obama has the trust of the american people after the wright thing .

he basically lied on national tv


Educated in a small town Taught to fear Jesus in a small town Used to daydream in that small town Another born romantic that's me.
by lori on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 02:55:30 PM EST
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Re: My (none / 0)

he basically lied on national tv

Do tell.


by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 02:57:37 PM EST
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Re: My (none / 0)

He said he wasn't racist. Everybody knows that he's been endorsed by the Black Panthers, is going to "fix" social security so no white people get welfare, and play Jay-Z in the White House.


unapologetic Obama supporter
by dantes on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 03:06:14 PM EST
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Re: My (none / 0)

You heard that, too? I thought it was just me. And what the heck is a crazy al-Qaida sleeper agent doing attending a church anyway?!?


by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 03:09:31 PM EST
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Re: My (none / 0)

You forgot the part where he puts 22s on the Presidential Limo (now a stretch hummer) and when he makes Kwanza a national holiday! (Actually if he made Juneteenth a Holiday that wouldn't be so bad).


by Socraticsilence on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 03:11:54 PM EST
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Re: My (none / 0)

It is possible that he lost that trusts, however i was talking about Hillary, and it obvious that the puiblic views her as a liar, so Lori, I think we should do something productive, do you think you can convince your states native son to take the cause and Save America! Because, other than Edwards, Gore might be our best choice right now.


by Socraticsilence on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 03:03:48 PM EST
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Re: My (none / 0)

Umm, no he didn't.


by elrod on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 03:12:48 PM EST
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Re: My (none / 0)

Well, he LIED in his speech! He said he had heard Rev. Wright make these kinds of statements in the church when he was present.

Which contradicts what he went around saying the previous Sunday, when he said he personally had never heard him make these kinds of comments, and had he heard them he would have spoken to the Wright and say he disagreed with them.

See?!   He LIED


by Gorto on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 03:28:48 PM EST
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Re: My (none / 0)

No offense, but your post is incredibly stupid.  He said that he sat through "controversial" sermons.  On CNN last night, specifically Anderson Cooper 360, he explained that the "controversial" sermons he was talking about were sermons related to family life.  You should learn to think and not lash out in your partisan hatred.


by rfahey22 on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 03:35:48 PM EST
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Re: My (none / 0)

Fine, have it your way, he lied, your blind.


by Gorto on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 06:54:42 PM EST
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Re: My (none / 0)

He said he had heard controversial statements by Wright while in church, but had not heard the SPECIFIC controversial statements that were making the rounds on youtube.  Feel free to post anything that proves otherwise.


And so, may evil beware and may good dress warmly and eat lots of fresh vegetables.
by thatpurplestuff on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 03:37:04 PM EST
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Re: My (none / 0)

Hah! Brilliant reply.

Yeah, obamas tip toeing around this lie is only making it worse for him, people who are not blinded are not buying it!

But hang on for dear life, it's going to be a rocky ride!!


by Gorto on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 07:00:07 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: My (none / 0)

You also need to say that the radio show host hates clinton and is a HUGE Obama supporter.


by americanincanada on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 02:56:13 PM EST
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I'm sure he didn't mean it that way (none / 0)

Really.  I'd be very surprised to learn that Obama intended to publicly call his grandmother a racist.  

But the point is that, just when he didn't need it, the Senator from Illinois is now tickling his tonsils with his toes.  In the context of this weeks news, this sounds really really bad.


by Trickster on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 02:57:49 PM EST
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Re: I'm sure he didn't mean it that way (2.00 / 1)

Um, did you listen to the clip he said specifically that wasn't racist, god you people are such freepers, I can't wait to hear you win Hannity starts playing the clip of BIll admitting that he let Bin Laden go, I mean obviously you wont believe that because your in the Cult of Clinton but others with you attitudes will.


by Socraticsilence on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 03:05:58 PM EST
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Re: I'm sure he didn't mean it that way (none / 0)

Hannity wouldn't do that. Fox News is the only channel that covers Clinton fairly and isn't in the tank for Obama. I know this is true because I read it here!


by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 03:13:59 PM EST
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Re: I'm sure he didn't mean it that way (2.00 / 1)

I really, really want to here these people if Hillary wins the nomination, I mean given what they've argued it would be irresponsible not to post the stuff Hannity notes about Clinton.


by Socraticsilence on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 03:41:01 PM EST
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What are you on about? (none / 0)

I agreed with you that he didn't intend to say his grandmother was a racist.  Is there something freepish about that?

???

Do you disagree with me that he stuck his foot in his mouth up to his knee?  I really don't see any good argument about that.  I'm quite sure his staff is working on damage control as we write this.


by Trickster on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 03:22:00 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Why what? (none / 0)

Why did he cram his foot in his mouth?  Just a mistake, I'm sure.


by Trickster on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 03:19:38 PM EST
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Re: BREAKING Obama: My grandmother's (none / 0)

By the way i try to avoid all men of all races when i walk down the street .

.. lol


Educated in a small town Taught to fear Jesus in a small town Used to daydream in that small town Another born romantic that's me.
by lori on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 02:53:05 PM EST

Chicken:-O (none / 0)


Honesty is always the best Policy. Go Hillary Go!
by roseeriter on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 02:57:54 PM EST
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Re: Thanks (2.00 / 1)

Just so we're clear here, you actually and sincerely believe that Michelle Obama does not love her country?


by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 02:54:41 PM EST

Obama lies again (none / 0)

Here's the Obama campaign's response:

"Barack Obama said specifically that he didn't believe his grandmother harbored any racial animosity, but that her fears were understandable and typical of those often shared by her generation,"

http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/phill ygossip/16851906.html

So "typical white person" is actually "typical of those often shared by her generation".

Uh huh.


99% perspiration
by DaveOinSF on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 03:10:23 PM EST

I gotta ask (none / 0)

Are you dumb or just willfully ignorant, seriously listen to what he said, actually listen to what he said, for gods sake listen to the words that came out of his mouth, that is precisely what he said. Seriously, I swear some of you people are freepers.


by Socraticsilence on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 03:17:41 PM EST
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Re: Obama lies again (none / 0)

Look, this is going to sound like I'm Clinton bashing, but I'm really not.  Hillary Clinton is married to a person that had this country literally questioning what the definition of "is" is, so when her supporters somehow take every quote from Obama literally and every clarification that he makes is an out-and-out lie, it seems more than a bit disingenuous.

I like Obama.  I like Clinton.  I will be thrilled if either of our candidates take the White House in November.  That being said, a lot of this mock outrage is getting more than a bit frustrating.


And so, may evil beware and may good dress warmly and eat lots of fresh vegetables.
by thatpurplestuff on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 03:19:15 PM EST
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nope (none / 0)

he had republican spin masters questioning what the meaning of is is.  
The rest of us knew the pundits were just doing what the republican party wanted.
For Obama it now becomes: Faith, hope and CHANGE! And the greatest of these is Change!
by TeresaInPa on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 03:39:54 PM EST
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Re: nope (none / 0)

"It depends on what the meaning of the word 'is' is." -Bill Clinton, during his 1998 grand jury testimony on the Monica Lewinsky affair

"It depends on how you define alone..." -Bill Clinton, in his grand jury testimony

Look, I like Bill Clinton and I like Hillary Clinton.  I'm taking issue with the people that are not allowing for any wiggle room in Obama's speeches and taking everything completely literally, even after he clarifies his statements.  To me, it seems more to be about scoring political points than real anger.


And so, may evil beware and may good dress warmly and eat lots of fresh vegetables.
by thatpurplestuff on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 03:53:11 PM EST
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Re: BREAKING Obama: My grandmother (none / 0)

It is at times like these that I have to remind myself that Clinton is not the sum total of those who support her, and that we need to defeat McCain no matter the consequences.  Attacking a fellow Democrat like this is sick.  Do some of you honestly believe that he is implying that all white people are racists, or are you merely making some sort of garbled electability argument?  Do you not have grandparents whose thinking about racial issues may not be up to speed?  

I really am at a loss for words here.  There are many ways that you could criticize Obama's candidacy, but this sort of smoke and mirrors is downright shameful.  You've become exactly the same type of people that you purportedly despise, the modern-day counterpart to the Republican smear merchants of the '90's.  


by rfahey22 on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 03:10:45 PM EST

Re: BREAKING Obama: My grandmother (none / 0)

A main premise of Obama's case against Clinton is that she has too much baggage.

Now all of a sudden you want help fighting the '90s smear merchants? If you lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas. Obama can't use Drudge and Novak to smear Clinton one day, and act surprised when they turn around and bite him the next.


by souvarine on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 03:33:40 PM EST
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Re: BREAKING Obama: My grandmother (none / 0)

My point is that I'm disgusted by the people here.  The smear merchants of the '90's were confined to the Republican side of the aisle, but clearly it's not a GOP-only affliction.  Parsing every syllable uttered by Obama has now become a full-time hobby by some of the amateur-hour "journalists" here.  Taking a fellow Democrat's statements about his grandmother out of context and then using that as a wedge issue is absolutely disgraceful.  If you can't see that, then I'm sorry.  I'm not holding this against Clinton as a candidate, but I would never want to meet some of the people here in person.


by rfahey22 on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 03:44:57 PM EST
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Re: BREAKING Obama: My grandmother (none / 0)

I agree, the Obama campaign has been a complete disgrace. Twisting the words and tearing down fellow Democrats. But I don't find holding him to his own standard particularly disgraceful.

The criticism here is that he is a disgraceful hypocrite, not that he is a racist.


by souvarine on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 04:04:59 PM EST
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Taylor Marsh is an idiot - and so are you (1.00 / 1)

How the hell can she or any other halfwit here interpret this as anything wrong.

Here is the parallel for the mentally challenged. Obama said in his speech, "I can no more disown Reverend Wright as I can the black community. I can not disown Wright as I could my white grandmother, who said things that made me cringe."

Don't you see the point? He was saying that there is an automatic response among many blacks and whites to see things as stereotypes. Wright and many in the black community see the white power structure in stereotyped terms. Many older whites see blacks as nothing more than gangsters. Both are horribly wrong. That was Obama's point.


by elrod on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 03:14:44 PM EST

Thanks for the overgeneralization (none / 0)

But calling someone an idiot is not helping the situation.


by lisadawn82 on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 03:24:43 PM EST
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White or wheat? (none / 0)

Butter?  Jam?


by Trickster on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 03:18:30 PM EST

The real quote (none / 0)

The real quote:

"She's extremely proud," he said. "The point I was making was not that my grandmother harbors any racial animosity. She doesn't. But she's a typical white person who -- if she sees somebody on the street that she doesn't know -- there's a reaction that's been bred into our experiences that don't go away, and that sometimes come out in the wrong way, and that's just the nature of race in our society. We have to break through it. And what makes me optimistic is you see each generation feeling a little less like that."

Via Ben Smith

Maybe, just maybe, we can all stop misrepresenting what the candidates say and have an actual discussion, rather than mock outrage of a single sound bite. But hey, that's just my two cents.


by TheSilverMonkey on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 03:19:48 PM EST

Re: The real quote (none / 0)

Oh, that is sooo much better.


by ineedalife on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 03:29:21 PM EST
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Re: The real quote (none / 0)

Yes, actually, it is. He's saying he thinks there's progress in America, and that the country is getting less biased. Also, he feels like her reaction isn't necessarily racist, but something ingrained in the greater society that is passing away. More importantly, Obama never ran on race as some kind of issue. He never claimed to be a personal bastion to heal the wounds of slavery. Rather he's been running on transparency and issues he feels are universal across the country - reuniting the united states under policy and making America great again. Fox pushed this shit, and all you Hillary supporters who complain so much about the "Vast Right Wing Conspiracy" and the "Right Wing Attack Machine" are foaming at the mouth and praising them for exposing controversial lines his pastor said over 40 years of ministry that NO ONE ARGUES OBAMA PERSONALLY BELIEVES. As a result, we see John Mccain's numbers have grown over Obama's, and Hillary's sinking even further as well, according to Rasmussen. She used to be 49% unpopular, is now at 55% nationally, and is double digits behind McCain in what used to be a close race for both democrats. If the Dems somehow lose this race, when the economy is tanking and this hugely unpopular war has no sign of stopping as a result of Republican leadership, it will blow my mind.


by TheSilverMonkey on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 03:42:35 PM EST
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Re: The real quote (none / 0)

Strangely, no one wants to comment about the whole quote.  Also odd that the excerpt in this diary leaves out the lead in, where he frames his answer as an explanation of why his grandmother is not racist.  

Seriously folks, this is just pathetic to watch.  A black man acknowledges that there are legitimate basis for white resentment, defends his white grandmother, and the response is to slam him with a quote pulled out of context.  And this is the purportedly "progressive" blogosphere.  Pitiful as far as I'm concerned.  


by HSTruman on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 03:30:57 PM EST
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Typical white persons (2.00 / 1)

won't be voting for Obama if he keeps this up.  Time to MOVE ON from all this race talk and let's get back on issues.  It is just so destructive and unecessary for him to continue making these statements.


by diplomatic on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 03:21:59 PM EST

First rule (2.00 / 1)

When you are in a hole, quit digging.


by ineedalife on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 03:26:24 PM EST

The other half (none / 0)

I don't like that he lumped all white people together like that.  I think he has some issue with white people.  Perhaps it was shaped by his experience growing up.  Halle Berry who is also inter-racial said that she experienced some problem growing up.

Obama seems to have problem accepting his white heritage and trusting white people.  His remark reflected the prejudice he has for the white people.  I don't trust that he is the best person to heal this nation.


by JoeySky18 on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 03:28:42 PM EST

Re: The other half (none / 0)

but again. maybe i'm wrong.  I can't honestly tell how it is like being in his shoes.

The point is he need to drop this racial things and go back to the more serious issue like economic problem.  


by JoeySky18 on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 03:33:02 PM EST
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Enough (none / 0)

Good God, what a hipocritical bunch of fanatics you Americans are.
You really really deserve presidents like Bush.

Everybody in the media and in the lunatic Hillary fringe is lying in ambush, weighing every syllable the man utters, hoping and praying, that at some point BHO will say something that can be interpretted as racist. And yahoo, at last he said something we can use to lynch him.

He simply said that his grandmother is no deranged extremist, no member of the KKK, a standard, run of the mill, average white woman. Despite the fact that she was not all of the abocve she told BHO that she was fearfull when meeting a black man on the street. That does not mean that all typical, run of the mill, average whites react the same way.

It's disgusting to read people, that call themselves progressives try to commit character assasination in such a shallow and stupid way, especcially because they do it just to improve the short term electoral chances of another progressive politician. Yuck.


by hebi on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 03:29:18 PM EST

Re: Enough (none / 0)

Agree.  Enough.  

Obama please stop making anymore statement about racial issue.  GOP will use it against you in GE.  Let's focus on the problems that the people are facing.


by JoeySky18 on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 03:35:00 PM EST
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Re: Enough (none / 0)

He was asked the question by the DJ. He didn't bring this up himself.


by elrod on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 03:46:56 PM EST
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Re: Enough (none / 0)

Sure. America is past it's racial past, everything is said about the subject and all problems are solved. Be greatfull for a brave politician that isn't mediatrained beyond platitude.


by hebi on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 04:24:27 PM EST
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Re: Enough....lol (none / 0)

is this performance art?  Have you watched what has happened to the Clinton over the last two months?  
They have been painted as racists by the Obama campaign.
Where ever it is you are from go back there and mess up your own elections with your particular brand of selective outrage.

PS... if you use mozilla, you can get an automatic spell check.


For Obama it now becomes: Faith, hope and CHANGE! And the greatest of these is Change!
by TeresaInPa on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 03:36:34 PM EST
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Re: Enough....lol (none / 0)

Maybe I missed the "slegs vir Yanks" sign. Do you see yourself as a democrat ???


by hebi on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 04:38:44 PM EST
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Re: Enough (none / 0)

Where have you been? Everything the Clinton camp has said has been examined thru a racial lens all through the campaign. In fact she has been handicapped because she hasn't been able to rip into him for fear of the racial card he has been so quick to play.

Obama is getting a little payback right now. This soundbite would mean nothing if  had run a different type of campaign. He is reaping what he has sown. This is typical in American politics. We don't like hypocrites.


by ineedalife on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 03:40:08 PM EST
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Re: Enough (none / 0)

It still means nothing. The angry, hatefull responses say it all.


by hebi on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 04:40:09 PM EST
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funny (none / 0)

Funny, Obama supporters were cheering Obama on as he weighed every syllable of Hillary Clinton, Bill Clinton, Billy Shaheen, Bob Kerrey and Geraldine Ferraro to find something that could be misinterpreted as racist. They didn't mind that character assassination destroying the careers of long time civil rights advocates.


by souvarine on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 03:40:15 PM EST
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Re: funny (none / 0)

So that's what this is about? Kind of pathetic, really. But it makes more sense than believing that Jesse Helms' base has taken over MyDD.


by elrod on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 03:48:57 PM EST
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Re: funny (none / 0)

Bill Clinton and Geraldine Ferraro were beyond any doubt defining Obama as an AA candidate, that doesn't make them racists, but it is typical for the slash and burn political style of the HRC-camp.


by hebi on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 04:43:33 PM EST
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Not the "conventional candidate" (none / 0)

and "typical white persons"

Maybe he meant conventional persons?

Are whites the only group of people who think about crossing the street when they see some sketchy looking strangers approaching?

Blacks, Hispanics, Asians, everyone has a survival instinct and if the situation calls for it, many of us can recall times when we thought about it also.


by diplomatic on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 03:35:22 PM EST

"typical white person" (none / 0)

Wow. This just plays into the perception of -- why did he associate with Wright and sit in that church for 20 years -- does he harbor that same feelings as Wright? Obama's unity message is going down the toilet.


by grlpatriot on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 03:45:39 PM EST

Re: "typical white person" (none / 0)

Read the whole quote. Do yourself a favor. You might learn something.


by elrod on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 03:49:34 PM EST
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Thanks for the tip ;) (none / 0)


by grlpatriot on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 05:22:50 PM EST
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Obama-Wright 2008 (none / 0)

I guess his Pastor's sermons penetrated more than he likes to let on!


by bdog on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 03:53:38 PM EST

Re: BREAKING Obama: My grandmother... (none / 0)

If the level of discourse throughout the U.S. is as petty and foolish as it is here, then Obama's gamble may not have paid off.  We Americans might not be adult enough to deal with this issue after all.


John McCain the flip-flopper...
by chinapaulo on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 04:25:15 PM EST

Stupid diary (none / 0)

This post is absolutely comical, seeing how it's based on a misquote.  I listened to the clip, and Taylor Marsh did not get it right.  What he said was:

". . . a typical white person who, if she sees somebody on the street that she doesn't know, there's a reaction in her that doesn't go away and it comes out in the wrong way."

He didn't say that the "typical white person" is scared of black men that pass them on the street.  The phrase "typical white person" was used as a contrast to a person who "harbors racial animosity," a point that the rest of the dialogue between Obama and the host reinforced.  

I'm sorry to burst the bubble here, but this game of "gotcha" that you guys are playing with Obama is inane and destructive.  

Finally, until someone can point to something other than two-minutes of out-of-context clips of Jeremiah Wright from 2003 and 2007, please stop asserting that Trinity, Wright, and the UCC are racist black-separatists.  It is just not true, and all of you know it.  


by Aaron Michael on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 04:27:00 PM EST

Re: My grandmother's a "typical wh (none / 0)

Okay. This is a chance for Clinton supporters to play more "gotcha politics" as Jesse Jackson describes it, or rise above this petty crap. These statements are in the same category as Bill's remarks about Jackson winning South Carolina or Hillary's remarks about MLK/LBJ. The Obama supporters decided to play the race card with those remarks to make political hay out of them, and Hillary supporters didn't like it. I agreed with the Clinton supporters then, and I believe that this statement by Obama is no more deserving of becoming an issue than were the statements by the Clintons. Give it a rest.


by bouvougan on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 04:59:52 PM EST

maybe Obama's statements (none / 0)

are more in line with this. The day after Obama's win in Iowa Jesse Jackson Jr. was quoted by the WaPo regarding Obama being down in the polls, that:
The natural reminder here is O.J. [Simpson] -- how does an African American candidate attack a white woman?


by grlpatriot on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 05:21:32 PM EST
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