Obama to reporter: "Hold on one second, sweetie"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Juy9NwI8_ i0

Today, the media "presumed" Democratic nominee had another "you're likeable enough" moment.

A female reporter was trying to ask Obama what his plans are to help the American autoworker.

Obama's response?

"Hold on one second, sweetie...."

As the reporter says in the clip "This sweetie never did get an answer to that question."

Funny, how the Obamacans are crowing that he doesn't need Hillary's help in November?  I guess he's come up with another strategy to get the women voter turnout needed to win..."Hold on one second, sweetie...."

Good grief.

***Went back and listened closely to the YouTube. It sounds like Obama got a laugh from someone for his comment.



Display:


"Hold on one second, sweetie" (2.00 / 1)

OMG.  It's SweetieGATE.



Lost rate and rec for issuing a '1' to a trollish comment. The troll, not so much.

by map on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:43:17 PM EST

Oh please god no... (2.00 / 2)


Even John McCain lusts after teh engels.
by sricki on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:44:31 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Oh please god no... (none / 0)

That was bad.


by mady on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:29:20 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Oh please god no... (none / 0)

Not as bad as "fingergate", though.


Even John McCain lusts after teh engels.
by sricki on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:37:52 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Ah, the double standards cease (2.00 / 0)

to amaze me. So, its not a problem? Is it because he meant it in an endearing fashion? What if Hillary Clinton called a black male journalist 'home boy', but in an endear fashion? Would that be OK with you?
by linc on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:46:00 PM EST
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Re: Ah, the double standards cease (none / 0)

Where do you think this should rank on the outrage scale?



Lost rate and rec for issuing a '1' to a trollish comment. The troll, not so much.

by map on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:49:55 PM EST
[ Parent ]

He apologized- (none / 0)

at least he recognizes his own ingrained sexism or at least someone on his staff does. That's where it ranks- it warranted an apology. This is not the first time he has had similar to say to or about women- it is a double standard, particularly for those that cry racism at every corner.
by linc on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:04:52 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: He apologized- (2.00 / 1)

Or, much more likely, he refers to the three females he spends the most time with, his wife and two daughters, as "sweetie," and it's just a reaction that wasn't intended.

There is a perfectly acceptable use of that word, and sometimes something flies out that was not intended.  

So he apologized, for treating someone in a personal manner who should have been treated in a professional manner.    

The comment was apparently made today, and he's already apologized.  Funny, considering Hillary took about five years to even admit her Iraq vote was a mistake and, as far as I remember, has YET to apologize.  I'm glad the candidate I support apologizes expediently when he makes a mistake.


No way. No how. No McCain.
by freedom78 on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:23:07 PM EST
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Re: He apologized- (none / 0)

Obama supporter here, FEMALE Obama supporter.  Was not acceptable and should not ever ever ever have occured to him to use that word in that context.  Harkened right back to the 1950s.


by mady on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:32:30 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: He apologized- (none / 0)

Yeah...thus the apology.


No way. No how. No McCain.
by freedom78 on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:34:42 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: He apologized- (none / 0)

He apologized because the media got ahold of the story.  

If a female Obama supporter can even say it was wrong why continue to defend it.  Is it toxic to his campaign?  No.  Is it offensive to women.  Hell yes.  And add this to the heap of other things and he isn't doing himself any favors.


by JustJennifer on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:36:52 PM EST
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Re: He apologized- (none / 0)

He apologized because the media got ahold of the story.
 

Please tell us how you can possibly know that?  How the same people who'll defend a war vote as a "vote for inspections" will also condemn a person for one word that has a perfectly non-offensive context is beyond me.  Apparently expertise as to candidate motivations is solely the purview of Clinton supporters?

In response to your other question...well, I'm my own person, so the other Obama supporter doesn't speak for me.  I didn't say he was right to say it; I said it was just a mistake, and mistakes happen.


No way. No how. No McCain.
by freedom78 on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:42:07 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: He apologized- (none / 0)

He's made flaps before and NOT apologized. He only apologizes when he feels it's warranted.


"Hey, check it out. You just had yourself a glue OD. So you're learning another lesson. Don't do too much glue, or your night sucks."
by vcalzone on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:56:20 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: He apologized- (none / 0)

And that makes him different from everyone else how?


Nos causidicus Obama , ergo nos non suadeo
by rb608 on Wed May 14, 2008 at 10:00:59 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: He apologized- (none / 0)

Different from those who refuse to apologize for any mistake ever (Bush), those who refuse to apologize while apologizing (nonpology) and those who make apologies they clearly don't mean to score political points or stem damage.

It doesn't make him different from normal people, but it makes him unique within the US political spectrum. It's part of his own confidence, and it will either be his downfall or a cornerstone of his triumph.


"Hey, check it out. You just had yourself a glue OD. So you're learning another lesson. Don't do too much glue, or your night sucks."
by vcalzone on Thu May 15, 2008 at 08:31:23 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: He apologized- (none / 0)

When my brother was dying and I visited town and him at the hospital, it was a surprise to see one of my best friends from high school as the counselor at the hospital.  Her way was to call my brother and every patient "sweetie." It left an impression on me and I often call my wife and daughters by the term.  I have also let it slip at work but I don't think I'm trying to put anyone down. That said, please leave the motivation out of this -- unless you know something the rest of us don't.  He apologized and he should have.  


by niksder on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:54:22 PM EST
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Re: He apologized- (none / 0)

Funny it never crossed my mind to label it as sexist whenever a strange woman calls me "sweetie".

Patronizing yes, sexist no.


It's time to restore balance and fairness to our economy,... It's time to stop giving tax cuts to corporations that ship jobs overseas... - Barack Obama
by Lefty Coaster on Wed May 14, 2008 at 10:28:14 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Nice spin (none / 0)

do you know the definition of patronizing?
by linc on Wed May 14, 2008 at 10:44:24 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: He apologized- (none / 0)

Saying Sweetie is sexist? Don't EVER come to the South if you think that. You will be OUTRAGED every single day. In fact, women will call other women "sweetie" or "honey" or even "baby" around here and not flinch. It's common in the black community in the North too.

I guarantee you Hillary's base of support in WV would no problem with the term "sweetie."


by elrod on Wed May 14, 2008 at 11:53:42 PM EST
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Re: Ah, the double standards cease (none / 0)

There was nothing endearing about it.


by bellarose on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:14:23 PM EST
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Re: Ah, the double standards cease (none / 0)

Because you're tone deaf. And so was the reporter, which is why Obama apologized.

Seriously, this is the kind of shit that sends feminism backwards. It's as stupid as insinuating that the 3am ad was racist.


by elrod on Wed May 14, 2008 at 11:55:04 PM EST
[ Parent ]

So now this is the reporter's fault? (none / 0)

get a grip.
by linc on Thu May 15, 2008 at 10:44:05 AM EST
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Re: Ah, the double standards cease (2.00 / 2)

I`d like to see him call Helen Thomas sweetie.


Wisdom Is The Reward For Listening Over A Lifetime
by gunner on Wed May 14, 2008 at 10:08:38 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Ah, the double standards cease (none / 0)

HAHAHA! I would pay to view that exchange!


by Liberty on Wed May 14, 2008 at 10:29:24 PM EST
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Re: Ah, the double standards cease (none / 0)

Yeah, that would fully ROCK?

But, she is way too old and square to pull it off.


Our long national nightmare is over...in 17 days!
by WashStateBlue on Wed May 14, 2008 at 11:25:14 PM EST
[ Parent ]

not the first time (none / 0)

"While flirting with female factory workers in Allentown, he called one 'sweetie'"

http://www.usnews.com/blogs/erbe/2008/4/ 4/obamas-sweetie-problem.html


by ryeland on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:57:02 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: "Hold on one second, sweetie" (2.00 / 1)

No... but if this is a pattern it is not a good thing. Being demeaning or condescending towards women is NOT a good thing.

What would he have said to a male reporter? PLEASE answer that.


Washington Woman

Progressive Blue

by kevin22262 on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:40:14 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Pushy male reporters (none / 0)

You are talking about a pushy male reporters, right?
There are a lot of those, and they are quite obnoxious. Personally I would have said "later bro", or "wait a second dude" if I wanted to be nice.
My thoughts on McCain: I have no desire to let that idiot fulfill his desire to "Bomb Iran"
by Otaku Saru on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:45:16 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: "Hold on one second, sweetie" (none / 0)

The analogy that comes to mind is a guy who calls people "buddy", whether they're his buddy or not.  It's just a term of familiarity, nothing more.


Nos causidicus Obama , ergo nos non suadeo
by rb608 on Wed May 14, 2008 at 10:03:04 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: "Hold on one second, sweetie" (none / 0)

I'm ready to forgive anything Bill did, but "sweetie?"  

Now that's about all I can take.


by niksder on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:45:19 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: "Hold on one second, sweetie" (none / 0)

Oh no, he's doomed!


Nos causidicus Obama , ergo nos non suadeo
by rb608 on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:58:09 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama to reporter (none / 0)

Enough, PLEASE.

Enough, please.

"Hi Peggy. This is Barack Obama. I'm calling to apologize on two fronts. One was you didn't get your question answered and I apologize. I thought that we had set up interviews with all the local stations. I guess we got it with your station but you weren't the reporter that got the interview. And so, I broke my word. I apologize for that and I will make up for it.

Second apology is for using the word 'sweetie.' That's a bad habit of mine. I do it sometimes with all kinds of people. I mean no disrespect and so I am duly chastened on that front. Feel free to call me back. I expect that my press team will be happy to try to make it up to you whenever we are in Detroit next."


by Pat Flatley on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:44:00 PM EST

Re: Obama to reporter (2.00 / 0)

What BS from Obama:

"That's a bad habit of mine. I do it sometimes with all kinds of people."

Yeah, I'm sure he refers to his male friends as "sweetie".


by bdog on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:46:42 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama to reporter (none / 0)

I doubt it.  Probably "bud", "dude", "man".  Other sexist terms like that.


Capitalization is the difference between "I had to help my uncle Jack off a horse..." and "I had to help my uncle jack off a horse..."
by igottheblues on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:59:39 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama to reporter (2.00 / 1)

I'm english. I call everyone DARLING.

Whoop my hide.


by duende on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:03:07 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama to reporter (none / 0)

Many on this site will gladly whoop your hide for that.  I guess that's how it goes on this side of the pond.  Ugh.....  

We seriously need to lighten up, someday perhaps.


Capitalization is the difference between "I had to help my uncle Jack off a horse..." and "I had to help my uncle jack off a horse..."
by igottheblues on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:11:33 PM EST
[ Parent ]

As a woman... (2.00 / 1)

....I have been called "hon" and "sweetie" by both men and women.  It's not universally offensive.

For some people it's as natural as saying "ma'am" or "miss".  (I used to work with a guy who'd always call women "miss" no matter how old they were.  I thought it was kind of funny.)

That being said, people are always going to interpret these things however it pleases them.  But that doesn't make the usage universally offensive.


by DawnG on Wed May 14, 2008 at 10:36:43 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama to reporter: (2.00 / 2)

Move over finger-gate, it's SWEETIE-GATE!!!!1

OMGNOOOOOEZ

INSERT MANUFACTURED OUTRAGE HERE


by Skaje on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:44:17 PM EST

Re: Obama to reporter: (2.00 / 3)

Those little ladies have a lot of audacity expecting to be treated like adult human beings.

I mean, they hear an obviously sexist comment and call it out.  

The nerve!


by bellarose on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:18:38 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Sweetie is sexist? (none / 0)

I have yet to hear anyone call "sweetie" a sexist term. In fact most would call it a term of endearment like honey, dear, darling, precious, princess, or cutie.


My thoughts on McCain: I have no desire to let that idiot fulfill his desire to "Bomb Iran"
by Otaku Saru on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:27:09 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Sweetie is sexist? (none / 0)

You are joking, no?  Any of those terms become sexist when used in a professional situation and not at home with one's, well, sweetie.


by mady on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:46:53 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Confronting a pushy reporter (none / 0)

is not a professional situation.
And I hear sweetie used all the time in the military institution I work in (though usually it is used between women).
My thoughts on McCain: I have no desire to let that idiot fulfill his desire to "Bomb Iran"
by Otaku Saru on Thu May 15, 2008 at 12:21:13 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Sweetie is sexist? (none / 0)

It is often used to remove female coworkers or subordinates of their authority and credibility. It is definitely not acceptable in a lot of contexts and rightly can be taken the wrong way.

That said, I don't think Obama meant it in that way. There are few nicknames a man can use for a woman the way that he would another man, and he was trying to be casual, I'm sure. If he really thought there was nothing wrong with his choice of words, he would not have apologized to her.


"Hey, check it out. You just had yourself a glue OD. So you're learning another lesson. Don't do too much glue, or your night sucks."
by vcalzone on Wed May 14, 2008 at 10:01:21 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Sweetie is sexist? (none / 0)

Well he knows now.  


by Tolstoy on Wed May 14, 2008 at 10:08:52 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Sweetie is sexist? (none / 0)

This is why I'm glad I don't live in the North anymore. Any term of familiarity is automatically interpreted as sexist.


by elrod on Wed May 14, 2008 at 11:57:43 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Sweetie is sexist? (none / 0)

Sweetie is a term that close friend coworkers use with each other all the time (though, in general is in not OK to use a familiar term with a superior). It is OK for coworkers to be close friends (non-sexual), or is it not?


My thoughts on McCain: I have no desire to let that idiot fulfill his desire to "Bomb Iran"
by Otaku Saru on Thu May 15, 2008 at 12:26:15 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Sweetie is sexist? (none / 0)

In most companies I have worked for, friends within the company are fine; it is friendships with vendors/contractors which are discouraged because of conflict of interest concerns.  I guess it varies by department, but I've heard co-workers call the boss "dude" before.  And I think it would be pretty hard to go through a day without hearing "hon" at least two or three times from strangers, so it certainly seems natural with friends.


"Information is the currency of democracy." -Thomas Jefferson
by bigsky on Thu May 15, 2008 at 12:42:24 AM EST
[ Parent ]

In my line of work (none / 0)

Calling superiors by pet nick names is highly discouraged, though we often get away with calling pilots by their call signs (even the admiral). However, the superiors often call the underlings or people of equal rank by pet nick names, and I haven't been called by my real name in 12 years. Uncertain as to whether my nick name, which is not a call sign, is a term of affection (as I am named after a device that could kill millions of people), but as most of the people I work with like me I like being called by my nick name (which I am called even out of uniform). In my profession few people are ever called by their real name, and "sweetie" is heard a lot.
I am going to assume that Obama did not know what the reporters name was, so he called her "sweetie".
Finding offense with "sweetie" seems like extreme political correctness to a fault.
If we can't use term of endearment or nick name, then all we will have left would be "hey you". Until someone found fault with that.
My thoughts on McCain: I have no desire to let that idiot fulfill his desire to "Bomb Iran"
by Otaku Saru on Thu May 15, 2008 at 02:58:55 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama to reporter: (none / 0)

See apology, above.


by niksder on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:56:29 PM EST
[ Parent ]

"Hold on one second, boy" (2.00 / 2)

Wonder what the reaction would be if Clinton said that to an African American reporter.


by Michael Begala on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:44:50 PM EST

Re: "Hold on one second, boy" (none / 0)

LOL that is not even close to being analogous and you know that.


by Skaje on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:48:10 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Oh really? (none / 0)

when was the last time you were called, in a professional setting, by an adjective specific to your gender or skin color?
by linc on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:50:56 PM EST
[ Parent ]

7 to 10 (none / 0)

times a day.


My thoughts on McCain: I have no desire to let that idiot fulfill his desire to "Bomb Iran"
by Otaku Saru on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:54:21 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: 7 to 10 (none / 0)

Please share. Seriously, I'm curious.


by OrangeFur on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:18:22 PM EST
[ Parent ]

You want to come to work with me? (none / 0)

That is a secured environment, I don't think they will let you past the gate.


My thoughts on McCain: I have no desire to let that idiot fulfill his desire to "Bomb Iran"
by Otaku Saru on Thu May 15, 2008 at 02:28:36 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Or to put it this way (none / 0)

I work in the strictest environment imaginable, and I haven't been called by my real name in 12 years. I am lucky if I called a term of endearment.


My thoughts on McCain: I have no desire to let that idiot fulfill his desire to "Bomb Iran"
by Otaku Saru on Thu May 15, 2008 at 03:25:25 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Oh really? (none / 0)

Quite frequently, actually.


Capitalization is the difference between "I had to help my uncle Jack off a horse..." and "I had to help my uncle jack off a horse..."
by igottheblues on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:00:18 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Oh really? (none / 0)

Nearly every phone call, and frequently in person.  And no, I don't take offense.


"Information is the currency of democracy." -Thomas Jefferson
by bigsky on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:04:34 PM EST
[ Parent ]

How (none / 0)

sad.
by linc on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:06:01 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: How (none / 0)

I don't know where you live, but if it's anywhere outside the Northeast or parts of California you'd hear gender-specific terms of reference all the time.  

In Tennessee, being called "sweetie" is a term of endearment - in any situation.

Hell, we even say, "Bless your heart," before we insult you! But I guess the outrage parade would see that as religiously intolerant.


by elrod on Thu May 15, 2008 at 12:00:09 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: "Hold on one second, boy" (none / 0)

It's exactly the same.


by bellarose on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:19:26 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: "Hold on one second, boy" (none / 0)

Actually I think it is.


by mady on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:47:14 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: "Hold on one second, boy" (none / 0)

"Boy" is a racial expression, sweetie is not a sexual expression, or I guess it is?
Are women offended by Sweetie?
My thoughts on McCain: I have no desire to let that idiot fulfill his desire to "Bomb Iran"
by Otaku Saru on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:50:55 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: "Hold on one second, boy" (2.00 / 2)

A lot of women are, yes. It's diminutive and belittling. I'd suggest strongly that you not use it in professional contexts.


by OrangeFur on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:19:15 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: "Hold on one second, boy" (none / 0)

In a word, YES.


by Tolstoy on Wed May 14, 2008 at 10:10:17 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: "Hold on one second, boy" (none / 0)

You have lost all perspective.



Lost rate and rec for issuing a '1' to a trollish comment. The troll, not so much.

by map on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:51:07 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Outrage would be ENORMOUS (2.00 / 1)

Enormous.


by catfish1 on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:51:41 PM EST
[ Parent ]

"Hold on one second, sweetie" (2.00 / 2)

As I posted on the other diary.  I VERY bad habit, showing his condescending, demeaning and sexism.

He called Senator Boxer CUTIE.  Uh yes, a terrible habit he has.

A fellow, SENIORED Senator, at a business function, he calls her a Cutie?

How would it go over if she attended one of his business functions and she said, isn't he a "Stud"?  Eyebrows would be raised for a good reason.  But we don't have to try to bury our own thoughts from leaking out.  He does.


by LindaSFNM on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:47:32 PM EST

Boxer - where when? Is there a YouTube? (none / 0)

Unbelievable.


by catfish1 on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:49:45 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Boxer - where when? Is there a YouTube? (none / 0)

February 2007 Boxer Fundraiser Obama attended.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/sfga te/detail?blogid=14&entry_id=13759


by LindaSFNM on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:56:51 PM EST
[ Parent ]

She is a cutie!!! (none / 0)

Boxer is a cutie!!! Married and hard working, but still a cutie
Was that offensive?
My thoughts on McCain: I have no desire to let that idiot fulfill his desire to "Bomb Iran"
by Otaku Saru on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:53:03 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: She is a cutie!!! (none / 0)

A former student of mine interned for her and said that she is extremely petite.


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:54:38 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Yeah (none / 0)

I had seen Boxer several times when she was running for the senate 15 years ago (I voted for her). She is extremely petite, and almost like you could fit her in your pocket. And extremely cute I might add.
But man does she ever have big presences, and runs circles around anyone that gets caught fibbing to her on the senate floor.  
My thoughts on McCain: I have no desire to let that idiot fulfill his desire to "Bomb Iran"
by Otaku Saru on Thu May 15, 2008 at 02:36:13 AM EST
[ Parent ]

In every corporate workplace (2.00 / 1)

you go through training and learn this kind of thing is unacceptable. You do not touch another person and if you do, you do not condescend to her.


by catfish1 on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:49:12 PM EST

good thing she doesn't work for him, then (none / 0)

do you have an analogy that is actually relevant?


by JJE on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:37:57 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Nice try. Really. (none / 0)

I know some of you are desperate, but this just makes you look silly. So happens, I've been called "sweetie". Many times.


Your old role is rapidly aging. Please get out of the new one if you can't lend a hand, for the times they are a changing.
by Travis Stark on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:53:27 PM EST

Re: Nice try. Really. (none / 0)

Me too, come to think of it. Never imagined it was insulting or patronising.


by duende on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:03:59 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Nice try. Really. (none / 0)

Yeah, if I get to the end of a call and they're not calling me by some type of diminutive, I know I must be a grouch that day!  I take it as a compliment.  Some people just use terms of endearment more liberally than others.


"Information is the currency of democracy." -Thomas Jefferson
by bigsky on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:12:08 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Nice try. Really. (none / 0)

Yeah, you're all over this site trying to defend his sexism, Travis.

Classy.


by bellarose on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:21:40 PM EST
[ Parent ]

And your all over trying to make a (none / 0)

mountain out of a molehill. Desperate.


Your old role is rapidly aging. Please get out of the new one if you can't lend a hand, for the times they are a changing.
by Travis Stark on Wed May 14, 2008 at 10:06:25 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Nice try. Really. (none / 0)

a female supervisor called me "sweetie" last week.  Alert the police!


by JJE on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:37:10 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Apology (none / 0)

Obama apologized in a voicemail he left on Agar's cell phone at 3:16 p.m:

"Hi Peggy. This is Barack Obama. I'm calling to apologize on two fronts. One was you didn't get your question answered and I apologize. I thought that we had set up interviews with all the local stations. I guess we got it with your station but you weren't the reporter that got the interview. And so, I broke my word. I apologize for that and I will make up for it.

"Second apology is for using the word 'sweetie.' That's a bad habit of mine. I do it sometimes with all kinds of people. I mean no disrespect and so I am duly chastened on that front. Feel free to call me back. I expect that my press team will be happy to try to make it up to you whenever we are in Detroit next."

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0 508/Obama_apologizes_Sweetie_a_bad_habit .html


by DPW on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:54:25 PM EST

Re: Apology (none / 0)

And the apology/explanation is BS.

Obama says:  "That's a bad habit of mine. I do it sometimes with all kinds of people."

Oh really?  When's the last time he called a male "sweetie"?


by bdog on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:56:41 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Sweetie (none / 0)

Is gender specific like dude. Does Obama call his bros "dude"? I don't know.
I doubt Obama meant anything sexist or to demean the female reporter at all, and in fact it seems like he was trying to be nice to her.
Does any woman take offence to being called "sweetie" in passing?
My thoughts on McCain: I have no desire to let that idiot fulfill his desire to "Bomb Iran"
by Otaku Saru on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:02:09 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Sweetie (none / 0)

Yes.

It's only a term of endearment when the person on the receiving end is a wife, husband, a friend, etc.  Someone you actually know and like.

Saying it to a stranger is belittling and infantilizing.  It also illustrates a hell of a lot of arrogance.


by bellarose on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:25:34 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Sweetie (none / 0)

I think which terms of endearment are commonly used outside of intimate circles vary somewhat geographically.  Here the most common are "hon" and "kiddo" but when lived in the South I heard "missy" and "doll" and when I talk to people east of here (here being the Mountain states) I sometimes get called "sweetie."  I don't remember hearing as many diminutives when I lived on the West Coast, though.  I can tell when someone is insulting me and when they are not.  Like the sign on my desk says, "I'm blonde but I'm not dumb!!!"


"Information is the currency of democracy." -Thomas Jefferson
by bigsky on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:33:26 PM EST
[ Parent ]

And he apologized (none / 0)

so it's time for you to STFU about it.


by JJE on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:36:06 PM EST
[ Parent ]

I am guessing you are a (none / 0)

Hard Feminist.
Do you really want to wage war on the term "sweetie"?
You have a point, but I don't think Obama was trying to be condescending to the reporter. I think he was just trying to be nice as he push passed her.
Also, don't pushy reporters deserve some level of scorn, regardless of whether they are female or male. Politicians have to deal with a lot of pushy reporters, and I am sure they would love to call them less affectionate terms than "sweetie".
My thoughts on McCain: I have no desire to let that idiot fulfill his desire to "Bomb Iran"
by Otaku Saru on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:39:11 PM EST
[ Parent ]

This has got to be snark (none / 0)


by duende on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:04:40 PM EST
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Probably not, but.. (none / 0)

I'll bet he's used "buddy" or "pal" or "man" or "friend" or ...


Your old role is rapidly aging. Please get out of the new one if you can't lend a hand, for the times they are a changing.
by Travis Stark on Wed May 14, 2008 at 10:07:42 PM EST
[ Parent ]

hahahahaha (none / 0)

I loveeeeee this so much.

Keep it UP!!!!!!!!

Grab grab grab on everything and anything you can!

Grab for it!


by AlexScott on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:55:40 PM EST

Re: hahahahaha (none / 0)

Well I guess it is not sexist then.  Just grabbing at nothing... why would anyone think otherwise.


by jelyfish on Thu May 15, 2008 at 01:50:33 AM EST
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It was condescending and (none / 0)

he should and did apologize.

I do not think though that he is sexist. I think he respects women, and everyone, as equals. The reporter was getting on his nerves (on purpose it appears), tossing questions to him when he was walking around and not taking questions, and he took a jab at her. Like he said in his apology, they had set up times for reporters to ask questions. This walk around wasn't supposed to be a time to shoot questions.

The reporter was looking to sir up trouble and Obama should not have taken the bait.

I think he learned from this experience. I also think he will be a great president.


by Mojo Risen on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:02:57 PM EST

Re: It was condescending and (none / 0)

Sure. But it's not exactly unusual for reporters to ask questions.


by OrangeFur on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:23:58 PM EST
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And (none / 0)

It is not unusual for people to push past pushy reporter or to negatively confront them. Reporters have limits you know? Not many, but they do have some.


My thoughts on McCain: I have no desire to let that idiot fulfill his desire to "Bomb Iran"
by Otaku Saru on Thu May 15, 2008 at 12:29:12 AM EST
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Re: Obama to reporter: (none / 0)

I think Obama's plan to swing the support of women voters toward him is to expose McCain's refusal to back pay discrimination bans and extreme right-wing position on abortion and stem-cell research.


by unionfield on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:16:28 PM EST

Re: Obama to reporter: (2.00 / 1)

You'd think he'd know he's got a problem with female Clinton supporters by now.  You know, the WOW voter?

In light of that, this type of insult shows a level of political cluelessness I find somewhat remarkable.  As in, he just doesn't get it, does he?


by bellarose on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:30:43 PM EST
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Re: Obama to reporter: (none / 0)

I'm not sure that's true. The Quinnipiac poll on the front page gives Obama and Clinton roughly the same support among women against McCain, even in the midst of a heated primary battle. Once more information about McCain's anti-women agenda gets more exposure, I'm sure we will see a record number of women coalescing around him. Let's not make this out to be a bigger deal than it is.


by unionfield on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:50:40 PM EST
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Keep at it bellarose (none / 0)

I'm sure you can get together a group that will share your outrage over a slip of the tongue. Maybe he was thinking at the time "Gee. I wish I was home with my two beautiful little girls." I know I call my little girl sweetie. Hell, maybe I'd better stop since she's about to turn 18. I'd better ask her.


Your old role is rapidly aging. Please get out of the new one if you can't lend a hand, for the times they are a changing.
by Travis Stark on Wed May 14, 2008 at 10:10:05 PM EST
[ Parent ]

At least he didn't call her "my friend." (none / 0)

That would have really been offensive.


by Hesiod Theogeny on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:21:10 PM EST

"my friend." (none / 0)

In case you wanted the ringtone, you can text "SLATE FRIEND" to 98999.

It's free, like really free, not some "you are agreeing to a subscription free".  Everyone knows Slate.  

You can also give a listen here:

http://media.slate.com/podcast/Ringtone_ MyFriends.mp3


by Pragmatic Left on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:40:16 PM EST
[ Parent ]

For everyone... (2.00 / 2)

... who thinks it was no big deal. Put your money where your mouth is.

If you are a man, here's a challenge:

Tomorrow, while at work, call a coworker "sweetie" in a professional setting, ideally.

Bonus points available

- if you do so while trying to ignore her or refuse a request from her (as Obama was doing).

  • if you don't know her very well or at all (as was the case for Obama).
  • if the woman is your boss.

I'm curious as to how it will be received.


by OrangeFur on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:23:06 PM EST

I called 7 of my female coworkers (none / 0)

"sweetie", both above and below me, in the past hour, and none of them took offense. But they are all close friends of mine.


My thoughts on McCain: I have no desire to let that idiot fulfill his desire to "Bomb Iran"
by Otaku Saru on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:31:03 PM EST
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Re: For everyone... (none / 0)

Everybody around here uses terms like sweetie, honey, etc. - including at work. The hardcore academic types don't do it as much, but the staff use it all the time. Women call me "baby" many times. Does that mean I'm a little boy to them? Does it mean I'm a target of their love? No. Of course, I live in Tennessee and we interpret terms of endearment as terms of endearment and not as offenses.


by elrod on Thu May 15, 2008 at 12:07:04 AM EST
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Sweetie (none / 0)

Doing a quick survey around the building about the word "sweetie", women tell me that they are often called sweetie by their husbands, boy friends, brothers, close friends (both male and female), and by their fathers.
"Sweetie" is obvious a term of close affection that has nothing negative associated with it.
Personally I see the term as kind of sexual when said to a woman, and just kind when said to a girl. What was the relationship Obama had with the female report?
Probably nothing, so my guess is he was trying to be kind as he passed her by, because he was too busy.
My thoughts on McCain: I have no desire to let that idiot fulfill his desire to "Bomb Iran"
by Otaku Saru on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:23:56 PM EST

Re: Sweetie (2.00 / 1)

See my comment above.

It's an obviously sexist insult when directed to a stranger in a professional setting.


by bellarose on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:32:43 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Confronting a pushy reporter (none / 0)

Was not a professional setting.
And it OK to use terms of endearment with close friend (non-sexual) coworkers in a strict professional environment.
My thoughts on McCain: I have no desire to let that idiot fulfill his desire to "Bomb Iran"
by Otaku Saru on Thu May 15, 2008 at 12:33:30 AM EST
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And I would have to disagree (none / 0)

A lot of people call stranger sweetie in a professional setting, when they have no idea what their name is.


My thoughts on McCain: I have no desire to let that idiot fulfill his desire to "Bomb Iran"
by Otaku Saru on Thu May 15, 2008 at 04:13:44 AM EST
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Has to be done... (none / 0)

Sorry, but the impending "Sweety-gate" must be called out for what it is before it gets too big:

http://press.princeton.edu/video/frankfu rt/Q5lan.mov


Capitalization is the difference between "I had to help my uncle Jack off a horse..." and "I had to help my uncle jack off a horse..."
by igottheblues on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:24:29 PM EST

Wow, talk about people willing to get outraged by (2.00 / 1)

anything.

I sometimes call co-workers "Dude" "Ma'am" and even a "thanks Darlin" or "thank you hun"

In the south (where my family is from) women call everyone "Sugar" and they can say it nicely, or venomously enough to draw blood.

So I say...whatever...


accepting McLettuce is like being 9 years old and forced to eat your own cooking
by Sychotic1 on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:37:03 PM EST

No freakin' kidding! (2.00 / 1)

From my POV, as a woman I might add, this has got to be one of the most ridiculous discussions about a non-issue I've ever read.

What is happening to everyone?!

Silliness is all I can think of.

A ship adrift in a sea of rhetoric & recycled clichés.
by DemsRising on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:48:31 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Question to all Clinton Supporters (2.00 / 1)

What is the best way for Obama to deal with a pushy female reporter?
Personally I have no problem with "wait a second sweetie", but if you guys got a better term, then lets hear it.
My thoughts on McCain: I have no desire to let that idiot fulfill his desire to "Bomb Iran"
by Otaku Saru on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:48:08 PM EST

Re: Question to all Clinton Supporters (none / 0)

Okay, if it were a guy, wait a second ___?

What word would you use.  


by mady on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:54:02 PM EST
[ Parent ]

To answer your question (none / 0)

"Dude" or "Bro" probably.


My thoughts on McCain: I have no desire to let that idiot fulfill his desire to "Bomb Iran"
by Otaku Saru on Wed May 14, 2008 at 10:30:16 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama to reporter (2.00 / 2)

Look, I grew up in an era when bosses (all male) would routinely call their help sweetie, honey and all of the other crappy condescending phrases that had no place in an office.  So yeah, it is bad, stinks, and he needs to watch it, not say it, not think it.


by mady on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:49:43 PM EST

First off (1.00 / 1)

The pushy female reporter was not on Obama's payroll, and she didn't work in an office with him.
Second, the pushy reporter's behavior was childish and obnoxious, and was deserving of some level of derision. Personally I would have used some other term like dear or darling, as I see "sweetie" possibly being misconstrued to be sexual, but certainly not condescending or sexist.
As someone who gives a lot of sexual harassment avoidance training I can tell you that "sweetie" by itself is considered green light, as no rational minded human being would see it as sexually harassing (though in certain sentences it could be considered yellow light, but "hold on a second sweetie" is not yellow light).
As to whether "sweetie" should be banned from an office, that is really up for the office to decide, but I think the English language would really be losing a lot if the word "sweetie" was banned. Most people would be of the opinion that "sweetie" used between coworkers is acceptable (especailly among coworkers that are close friends), unless someone actually said they had a problem with being called sweetie, in which case that person's concerns would have to adhered to.
My thoughts on McCain: I have no desire to let that idiot fulfill his desire to "Bomb Iran"
by Otaku Saru on Wed May 14, 2008 at 10:43:50 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: First off (2.00 / 2)

As someone who gives a lot of sexual harassment avoidance training I can tell you that "sweetie" by itself is considered green light, as no rational minded human being would see it as sexually harassing

I don't think people think it is sexual harassment ... People think it is sexist.  


by jelyfish on Thu May 15, 2008 at 02:02:20 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Sure (none / 0)

By hard-line, political correctness, extremists.
If we get rid of all of the terms of endearment, and cute nick names, then all have left is "hey you".
How much fun is that going to be, sweetie?
My thoughts on McCain: I have no desire to let that idiot fulfill his desire to "Bomb Iran"
by Otaku Saru on Thu May 15, 2008 at 03:04:23 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Hi, Taylor !! (none / 0)

Surrender Dorothy!!


"McSame: He's Constipated and Ready to GO!
by Al Rodgers on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:54:16 PM EST

Re: Obama to reporter: (none / 0)

In my state, people call women "dear" all the time in many, many situations.  I find it sort of sweet but it did feel a bit strange when I first moved here.


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:56:56 PM EST

Re: Obama to reporter: (none / 0)

Oh and women and men use "dear" all the time.


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:57:33 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Come to Baltimore (none / 0)

All the (good) waitresses call you "hon", sweetie.


Nos causidicus Obama , ergo nos non suadeo
by rb608 on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:59:21 PM EST

It's cool he apologized (none / 0)

From my perspective (as a 29 year old guy), my older female secretary at my law firm calls me "sweetie" or variations thereof more often than not, probably because I'm only 5 or so years older than her kids.

I like it, what can I say, but I def wouldn't use it myself with any female co-workers, whether other lawyers or staff.  So I'm glad he apologized.

Us men have a ways to go, but we're trying, and I think it's unfair to get over-outraged by Obama in this case.


by Slim Tyranny on Wed May 14, 2008 at 10:10:03 PM EST

OH MY GAWD!!! SEXISM (none / 0)

Seriously, who hasn't been called sweetie before?  It's a casual term of endearment, not sexism.  Get over it.


by brathor on Wed May 14, 2008 at 10:16:42 PM EST

Was he drinking Orange Juice... (none / 0)

...and flipping her the bird while he said it?

Another manufactured outrage.  This is getting really stupid.


by DawnG on Wed May 14, 2008 at 10:32:35 PM EST

if i got offended (none / 0)

every time someone called me sweetie, sweetheart, honey, stud-muffin, studley, dreamboat, mc dreamy, hot cake, suger buns, sailor, cowboy, the guy in the next cell, or any other endearing term, i would be reduced to being just another bitter (but gorgeous) individual.


by citizendave on Wed May 14, 2008 at 11:06:41 PM EST

"Sailor" is a term of affection? (none / 0)

Good god(dess) I got to get back to the civilian world.


My thoughts on McCain: I have no desire to let that idiot fulfill his desire to "Bomb